A post for the three of you who might remotely care about grammar and aardvarks
In her latest On Language column — er, uh, in her The Word column, in which she actually cites William Safire as a source — Globe language scribe Jan Freeman posed an interesting question. I tried responding to her directly, but the e-mail bounced twice, so I’m giving up and just posting it here. First, Jan:
IF, WHETHER, OR NOT? Grammar Girl, the popular usage podcaster, offers “quick and dirty” usage advice, most of it reliably mainstream. But her recent treatment of whether and if has me stumped.
In my experience, the only real problem in the “whether/if” department is that overzealous editors sometimes delete an obligatory “or not.” But Grammar Girl sees another potential problem. She claims these sentences have different meanings:
Squiggly didn’t know whether Aardvark would arrive on Friday or Saturday.
Squiggly didn’t know if Aardvark would arrive on Friday or Saturday.
I don’t see it, but I’d like to know if readers do (without the aid of Grammar Girl); please send explanations (or exclamations!) to freeman@globe.com.
To which I say: I’ve never heard of Grammar Girl, but I’m semi-siding with her on this one.
Squiggly didn’t know whether Aardvark would arrive on Friday or Saturday. This seems to mean that Aardvark will arrive on either Friday or Saturday. The “whether” implies that these are the only two possible outcomes, and that one will come true.
Squiggly didn’t know if Aardvark would arrive on Friday or Saturday. This seems to mean that Aardvark may arrive on Friday or Saturday, or maybe Sunday, or Monday. The “if” suggests that “Friday or Saturday” is one, joint outcome — an arrival on one of these days — but in the context of the sentence, it’s unclear if Aardvark will arrive on one of those days. It’s equal to saying, “Squiggly didn’t know if Aardvark will arrive.”
This is tricky, though, because I don’t think the whether/if split in meaning would be as clear if the sentence included only one potential outcome. For example:
Squiggly didn’t know whether Aardvark would arrive.
Squiggly didn’t know if Aardvark would arrive.
Those two mean the same thing, because there’s only one outcome presented, and the suggestion from both “whether” and “if” is that this one outcome may not be achieved. Which, I suppose, means I don’t know whether or if I’m right at all.
YLlama on 10 Jun 2008 at 10:13 pm #
I don’t know if you’re right or wrong. But I’m pretty sure I know whether you’re right or wrong.
Dan on 11 Jun 2008 at 8:31 am #
You’re exactly right. I read GG’s podcast transcriptions all the time via RSS, and I remember this well. She even plainly indicated that although one of the examples had two main conditions (the day of the arrival and the possibility of the arrival), the other had just one.
It’s unfathomable to me how a grammar expert could fail to see the difference. Not only is it pretty obvious, but Grammar Girl explained exactly what it was for those for whom it might not be obvious (i.e., her target audience).
“Squiggly didn’t know whether Aardvark would arrive on Friday or Saturday”: two conditions, that of the arrival itself and that of the DAY of the arrival.
“Squiggly didn’t know if Aardvark would arrive on Friday or Saturday”: one condition, that of the day of the arrival.
When spoken out loud, though, the prevalent condition would be obvious, as the inflection would determine it: “Squiggly didn’t know whether Aardvark would ARRIVE on Friday or Saturday” is just one condition, owing to the inflection. But in written text, this is not possible to determine.
admin on 11 Jun 2008 at 9:38 pm #
It’s good to know I’m so damn smart. Thanks!
TheRedDuke on 15 Jul 2008 at 5:59 pm #
Agree in the macro.
Using the given example, in the micro, I view “whether” to mean either Friday or Saturday. Arrival is on either one day or the other.
“If” seems to mean arrival on Friday is possible, arrival on Saturday is possible, Sunday is an option, and *never* is a good guess, as well as some day next month. I don’t see, in this case, “Friday or Saturday” being one option, but rather two out of an unlimited number of options.